This guy was hiding out in the masters for the last half of this season but we weren't gonna forget him. He had the nerve to line up as a Cat3 at the start of this year after ending 2008 with finishes of: 1,5,2,7,4,7,6,5,2. He also got a 9th at NATIONALS. And how does he start off 2009 as a Cat3?? TWO WINS AND A 2nd!
You coulda plugged up the New Orleans levy with this sandbagger!!
The only thing I want to know is, do you still have to use chamois butter when you ride with your Maxipads?
Looks like Joshy had some crizzamps!
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ReplyDeleteI am coming to my defense....my results....speak for themselves obviously. So... in my defense....for the 2009 cx season which started this past September. i raced 2 races in the cat 3 field at the beginning of the year: i.e. The KC Cup and the Lenexa BlackFan race. And in neither race did i dominate. hell...i was beat by 30 seconds at the Lenexa race. Once the Lenexa race was over i submitted my cat 2 upgrade with the KCA. I was officiallyt a cat 2 by the next race. The only reason i raced the Lenexa cat 3's was because of my 15 month old daughter. Yeah, I am a father and a career firefighter who works 56+ hours a week. i train maybe 6-7 hours a week between the bike and running. Its funny, I get shit from friends and competitors about bagging, i get it. i have accused others of bagging to their face. in a good natured way. However, i take exception to a fat slow cat3 (or r u bitter cuz u finish at the back of the 4's race?)wannabe 'hard guy' racer calling me out from behind the keyboard. If u arent man enuff to come talk to me to my face.....well....lets just say i would rather not know who u r,,,,,, cuz i would probably take a swing at u. Like i said...u arent man enuff.....so i dont hit girls. get some facts straight before u start calling people out!!
ReplyDeletehey asshole....u wrote this in January of 2010????? u r a fricking moron....i catted up in late september/early october....u needd to check your facts before u start shitting out of your mouth!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletethis is taylor...same person who posted previous comment....if u r gonna call someone out for bagging......make sure u know the category they r racing in. i have raced the masters' 'A' race for the last 13 races of the year....i have been getting my ass handed to me by the likes Lucas, Songer, Studnicki, Plumer and others......WTF have u been doing????finishing at the back of the 4's????? do me a favor....instead of spending so much time worrying about others.....TRAIN MORE!!!!!!!..It looks like u have plenty of spare time...u F@#&ING Douchebag!!!
U know i could have taken this a little better if this came out back in october or something........dude.....i so want to know who the spineless fat f@#& who is writing this!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletethis is taylor posting a word from a friend who has been around the bike racing scene for just a couple of years.......
ReplyDeleteI have to say who ever started this joke of a blog has no clue what it actually takes to race at the next level or even at a Category 3 level for that matter. Just because someone is winning a few local races doesn't justify calling them a sandbagger or needing to upgrade. For any Category 3 rider to upgrade they obviously need the required points but, they also need to display complete dominance at every single race they do. Winning every time and absolutely crushing the competition. Then, they should upgrade to a Category 2. Once that is done welcome to hell. It's an entirely different world of racing and training. Even at a local level it’s a whole new ball game and the roles are reversed unless the rider is a truly gifted athlete. I've read many comments about Josh Taylor or Mark Cole needing to upgrade because they are winning races left and right etc. Well, that's at a local level and they are doing quite well for themselves. But, if they (or any other local Cat 3 legend) were to race regionally or nationally they would get their asses handed to them. That is until they gained the valuable experience of racing at that level. Many local cyclist can't lead the lifestyle to gain that experience of doing UCI races, USGP's or traveling to Nationals every year. Have you ever thought of that? I know for a fact both of these riders work hard at training, racing, being parents and working full time jobs. Did you ever think that their commitments outside the sport don’t allow them to train and race at a higher level? Maybe their commitments outside the sport don’t allow them to even do so at a local level? All of those are factors for any cyclist who is going to upgrade to the next level. It takes no less than 15 hours a week of hardcore training just to compete locally at that level. Do you have the time to do that plus the outside commitments? The way I see it is your complaining about these guys needing to upgrade because you're personally tired of getting your teeth kicked in all of the time. Word from the wise and I've seen this a lot in the past 25 years or racing. Come out from behind the comfort of your keyboard, stop letting your fingers do the talking and let your bike racing do the talking. Until you can actually come out and compete toe-to-toe with your peers every weekend shut your pie hole, train your ass off and show them what you’re made of. Your comments make you out to be a coward and someone who isn’t willing to dedicate yourself to training and racing. One last thing... I find it amazing that anyone actually has the balls to post anything on a blog (positive or negative) without stating their real name. If you have something to say, say it openly and quit being a coward. What are you afraid of? Are you scared at the next race the entire cycling community will gang up you and drop you like a bad habit? I’m guessing so. Sack up and quit hiding behind your keyboards. BTW.... HTFU
Bill Marshall
Team Director/Founder
KCCX/VERGE Elite Cyclocross Team
Spot f-ing on Bevin, errrr Bill.
ReplyDeleteThis "blog" is completely a waste of good eyesight. I would like my 3mins back, please.
Whoever the asshat is behind this site is a complete low life for calling Tyler out. Tyler contributes more to this racing community than you ever will and one of the nicest guys around.
Don't sweat it Josh. You should take it as a compliment. This is someone who respects your performances, perhaps even envies them.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, you are in a tough spot: ready for the next challenge, but limited time to devote to being competitive at that next level (the Open race). I agree that you made the right choice to ride most of this season in the Masters, since that falls nicely in between the 3s and Open category.
I agree with Bill that it will be tough to play with the big boys on 6-7 hrs/wk. You could do it as long as you got in some more hours during the summer and early fall. That said, I was probably averaging about the same in October-December, but I lost fitness throughout the season.
Wow. Lot's of hate towards racers that simply train harder than you. I'm tempted to cat-down back to 3 just to get in the middle of all this. I've never been accused of sandbagging, but I might have a bad rap for getting through lap traffic rather "agressively". Jump in the masters or open race and give me your personal opinion on that. The local racer scene in KC is so awesome with tons of cool people, promoters, events, ect, I refuse to let the verbal butt gravy from one sub-human racer-wannabe to bring it down.
ReplyDeleteIt's important to remember that as the field size increases, so does the depth of field. Look at the Men Elite races as an example. 2 years ago the result sheet was the same, Shadd with a win unless Steve was in town. That is no longer the case by any means. It's silly to think that there will not be an across the board increase in competition. Cyclo-cross is not a participation event like the MS 150. It is performance competition. The maker of this website may simply need to downgrade his/ her license in order to be competitive.
ReplyDeleteHey, here's the deal.....I dont race cros or my other bikes just for the results, while they are nice, they are not the end all for me. TO continually improve aas a racer, technically and physically getting faster. those are rewarding results for me as well. To improve enough to beat 'fast' guys like Songer, Lucas, Studnicki, Marshall. These are guys who i call friends and who i look up to as racers and as people. As long as my peers, or my friends dont think i am 'bagging' then i am fine. However, these guys are my friends and guys who i respect, and if they felt i was 'baggin', then they would let me know about it. BELIEVE ME!. For myself, once i realized that racing in or with the cat 3 races was not helping me to improve, then i knew it was time to 'cat' up. which i did in last late september. whatever....So for the last 13 cx races of the 2009 season, i was taking my lumps against current and former elite racers and other 'fast old fuckers'and getting my ass handed to me on a weekly basis. and i loved every suffering second of it. I guess what burns me about all of this is the fact that some guy hiding behind aa mask or computer screen unwilling to show his face or name is calling me and other guys out. Guys who just love to race and ride their bikes.
ReplyDeleteDude, right now you have got a lot of people thinking of you as a sniveling little coward. Call me out anytime.....just be man enough to do it to my face or have the manhood to show me who is writing this drivel.
So like Bill said earlier....
if you dont like it....MAN UP! I say....GET OFF YOUR COMPUTER AND TRAIN MORE, HARDER OR SMARTER, OR ALL OF THE ABOVE!!
again, this is taylor. the last i will speak on this.
LATER!
I only answer to Steve Tilford. You all can suck it.
ReplyDeleteI'm not so sure Tilford will like the tone of this blog. True sportsmen don't bag (pardon the pun) on their fellow racers like this - regardless of 'level', ability or results. Joking about 'sandbagging' is one thing, but this nasty drivel is uncalled for and won't do anything to grow the sport in KC. Not classy at all. Perhaps you can create a blog that will build comradery not kill it? You best be very careful on your 'training rides' out on the road r5. Karma is a killer dude - and it may come in the form of a Ford F150 up your ass. Or better yet, a semi.
ReplyDeletegood lord. you all need a beer hand up.
ReplyDeleteattn anonymous blogger. mission accomplished.
(grabs popcorn) keep those comments comin!
I would like to comment from the middle of the 4's. If you are a 3 and regularly gapping the rest of the field, don't you think it's time to race in the open race? Are those poeple keeping some of the people that don't belong in th 4's anymore from catting up? And for those of you that are going to tell me to be quiet and train more until I am as fast as you are, well it's a work in progress. I plan to be racing with you 3's early in the year 2010. As for you all that were gapping the rest of us in the 4's, you better be lining up as a 3.
ReplyDeletewhy do you all take yourselves so seriously? lighten up!! your all a bunch of amateurs...
ReplyDeleteI dont have an F-150, but how about a 100 foot ladder fire truck?!
ReplyDeleteNot that josh needs to be defended, but I will throw in my two cents. I have know josh a long time, and he is the last person that would ever sandbag. He has never raced a race because he wanted to win the 'prize'. josh races because he truely loves the sport. He loves it because of the competition and the camaderie. As you are finding out, the local cycling community is close. Its close because we have alot of mutual respect for each other. And we are not going to let some d-bag like you destroy that!
Good luck next season. I suspect you will be eating a lot of mud.
Firefighters threatening violence because of a blog? Tell me someone here doesn't have issues. Its just bike riding people. Get a grip.
ReplyDeleteI love this blog.... call'em out!
ReplyDeleteAs the wife of Josh Taylor, I can say with out a doubt that he would be the first to call himself out for being a so called "sandbagger" and did feel like one after the first race of the season. He realized at that time that he needed to cat up not only for himself to improve, but for the fact that someone like you would have such poor sportsmen-ship to have such a blog. It's people like you that try to bring other's down with your negativity and insecurity's that makes me even more proud of my husband Josh. If you have ever read his blog you would see that he is what the cycling community is about.... to have a good time doing a sport that he loves and to recognize when your peers have done well. The fact that you r5, have this blog shows that you are a little person with many insecurity's, and to not even have the gumption to sign your name--or better yet say it to Josh's face and the other people on this ridiculous site--says a lot about the type of so called competitor you are. Your probably that parent (or would be) that yell's from the sideline... you know the parent that everyone hates because you think you have been granted the authority of declaring how it should be done. Well, I and a lot of other respected people are here to tell you that you do NOT have the authority to decide who is a "sandbagger" or not.
ReplyDeleteJosh doesn't need me or anyone else for that matter to defend him but I felt that this is an unnecessary blog that shouldn't exist if your truly in it for the right reasons.....
Sincerely,
Heather Taylor
haha, this dude's wife has to defend him.... that's awesome. I'm loving this thing more and more. if someone is taking such offense to this, there is obviously some underlying issue.... like that fact that someone really is baggin' a bit.
ReplyDeleteReading this post was better than waisting time on YouTube.
ReplyDeletejust blame it all on george Bush, thats what Obama would do?
ReplyDeleteNice! Scary firemen, Neocons, Women Who Wear the Pants, Bike racers who ARE better people than you are, this blog has it all. Did Oprah recommend this earlier today? Will this be on Lifetime tonight?
ReplyDeleteJosh, I say you wear this honor with pride, primarily b/c you are sooo not a sandbagger. Wear it loud and wear it proud my brotha'. I say be THE BEST damn sandbagger of all time! Step back into 3s and do your thang! TEAM OSH JOSH will be cheering you on!
ReplyDeleteF150, semi & fire engine violence? Seriously? I wouldn't wish that on that creepy adolescent that hangs out at Chuck E Cheese and beens kids in the ball pit, even though he's got the same Immabigman-complex.
ReplyDeleteI blame society!
ReplyDeleteRide bikes, drink beer, give hand-ups, and don't sweat what a blogger has to say.
One day I hope to grow up and be a sandbagger myself, until then I'll see you in the back of the 4's.
R5 : I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.
ReplyDeleteXiminez : NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! ...Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh damn!
I kind of hope all this chatter stays hot and heavy until next cross season. Would be fun to see you all throw elbows and fists on the course. Maybe we can make a new sport - CX Sandbaggers vs Anon Blogger in CycloCageFighting!
ReplyDeleteAccording to Josh's own blog, he admits to sandbagging. His very own words here:
ReplyDeletehttp://jtbike.blogspot.com/2010/01/2009-cross-season-is-wrap.html
"So with the call-ups at 10 minutes before race time, I was on the front row. I was 4th in the overall and really no shot of catching 2nd and 3rd. I needed a miracle with both Andy Lucas and Steve Songer not finishing the race. I had no points in an early race in the series due to sandbagging and racing and winning the 3's race at the first race of the year."
As a roadie, I take personal offense that Josh, on his blog, would call me out and say I'm a "pussy" because I choose not to race CX.......man, I'm gonna go home, beat the cat, and drink a case of PBR because I take personal offense to this. In this politically correct world I choose to believe in, there is ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM for tongue in cheek bullshit like THIS blog or the bullshit about me being a pussy because I'm a roadie. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, and fuck you! I'm out!
ReplyDeleteBrian: You said you gave Mary Jane a pearl necklace!
ReplyDeleteThurgood Jenkins: Obviously you missed the whole point of that story, Brian.
WHAT IS A FIREMAN?
ReplyDeleteHe's the guy next door - a man's man with the memory of a little boy.
He has never gotten over the excitement of engines and sirens and danger.
He's a guy like you and me with warts and worries and unfulfilled dreams.
Yet he stands taller than most of us.
He's a fireman.
Really. All you people taking this so seriously. Its a gag. Its something for us all to look at and talk about now that the season is over and we can't stress over crossresults.com any more. Its just fun. To threaten to physically harm someone over what is really just a back handed compliment. Get a grip.
ReplyDeleteIn response to the comments about why not to upgrade, I agree that racing at the next level will be difficult. I have no illusions about ever finishing in the top half of an open race, but I also don't think its cool to discourage the guys working their asses off in the middle of the 3's or 4's. You get your points, you move up. One of the great things about cross is that even if you aren't riding with the group, you are usually riding around someone, and that rivalry can get you through the season.
So lets take this as the good time that it is, and that it was until this particular entry.
Hershey out.
if Scott Brown can win a seat in a blue state then Obama can have a better system for scoring Cyclocross races!
ReplyDeleteYou too Hershey!.........fucking sandbagger you are! It's about freakin' time you cat up......"oh...my nemesis Richard Hu!......I have to beat him so I can win the series!" Seriously?.....you're d bag at best and a Donklephant at worst.....oh...wait a minute.......I hate bigotry, rascism, and midgets.....no...wait...a mind is a terrible thing and it must be stopped in my lifetime....shit.....just give me a beer while I stew some more.
ReplyDeleteWho's this 'tard who can't do anything but bring up politics? I've read all this stuff (this site is GOLDEN), and I've got to run into Obama/Bush crap?
ReplyDeleteGet a life (unless you're the one behind this site, in which case, you rule the art of deception)!
Its just "hope" that someday Obama will save the Cyclocross culture just like he has saved America. With blogs like this producing "Change we can believe in" our rewards next year will be shared through out the entire field therefore eliminating the need to call someone a sandbagger.
ReplyDelete"One day, no longer will a people be segregated to the back of a class, rather we shall see others for their character and not category."
ReplyDelete- DeRosa Parks
Nierman, you go girl!
ReplyDeleteSir Anon: What makes you think r5's a witch?
ReplyDeletePeasant Josh: Well, he turned me into a newt!
Sir Anon: A newt?
Peasant Josh: [meekly after a long pause] ... I got better.
Peanut Gallery: [shouts] Burn him anyway!
ok, so...I don't get it, shouldn't everyone aspire to be a sandbagger? That means that they are kicking ass enough to move up? Why all the drama? And if you're someone that can't win behind a 'sandbagger', well, isn't the problem you? So they move up, and you have no one in front of you, so you win your cat uncontested? Whoohooo, go you! Then you're dubbed the next sandbagger and on and on this ridiculous thread goes. So stupid. I'm starting to hate the sport.
ReplyDeletewhat does obama have to do with cross & sandbagging? pass the popcorn & leave politics & religion out of this goofy exchange. josh please stop killing your keyboards the cost will add up....big grin...joel....burn him...tee-heee
ReplyDeleteteamsexypants- you don't get to laugh at very many jokes, do you?
ReplyDeletehaha. yeah joel doesnt really like jokes. or smiling. or being a big goofy fucker 100% of the time.
ReplyDeleteMr. Mailorder says what's wrong with mailorder? Some of us don't work at bike shops!
ReplyDeletewhat's wrong with mail-order? jackasses that buy shit via mail order and expect the bike shop to be buddy buddy with them when they want it installed.
ReplyDeleteI would just like to take a moment and thank Josh.
ReplyDeleteIf it wasn't for him, his family, and friends absolutely flipping the f*** out over his sandy ass being called out, this blog wouldn't be entertaining at all. Instead, its absolutely hilarious.
signed, uh oh
ANONYMOUS!
By the time you've reached "total domination" in one category, you should have already catted up! That is NOT how it works. I cannot believe that comment. Check the USA Cycling autoupgrade rules
ReplyDeleteAnd by the way Heather, the reason this blog exists is the ones sandbagging are the poor sports who ruin it for others but "not playing fair." The ones calling them out in good fun are not the poor sports.
ReplyDeleteGod I hope I don't get called out for sandbagging better yet teabagging for that matter. I'm not married so I can't get my non-existent wife to stick up for me, what ever shall I do?
ReplyDeleteI think it's funny that the s.b.er came out in his own defense along with his wife. Sorry, but we always say the truth always hurts the most those that know it's the truth. So, Josh, you getting on here and defending yourself just went to show that you know you were bagging...or camping out in a category that you should have moved out of a while back.
ReplyDeleteKudos to r5 for doing a job that needs to be done here in the KC area. It amazes me that 'everyone' here is going to 'go pro' and yet they stick it out in 3's forever......and that they'll do well in a category and not move up. But that is a post on another part of the blog. I laugh at the local community in racing and the dedication that a lot of people here put into the sport of cycling...and are competitive on a local level.....this does not go out to ALL racers here as there are several names locally that have proven themselves. However, the majority of the racing community here really does not travel out of their comfort zone of a 200 mile radius and really be challenged. Go to a competitive 2's race in the NW...or even a 3's stage race on the east coast....god forbig you guys if you ever raced in California. A 'good' 3's field there would trash a 1/2/3 race here.......but anyway....kudos to you r5